In Stitchers Roundtable 3X09 “Kill It Forward,” we must face the past so it doesn’t stop us from moving forward
While we have spent a lot of time getting to know the squad over these past three seasons, this week we had a chance to get deep with Mama Bear herself – Maggie Baptiste. In this Salli Richardson-Whitfield directed episode, the team must overcome betrayal and rebuild trust. Ivy walks into an intervention of sorts with Kirsten, Linus, and Cameron. Confronted with her involvement in the anomaly, she does her best to explain why she did what she did. Linus makes it clear he wants nothing more to to do with her, and Kirsten demands she leave. The latter isn’t done confronting people, however, but Maggie refuses to budge. Kirsten refuses to stitch then, with Cameron siding with her this time around. However, they are consummate professionals, so when an urgent stitch comes in, they take the case when Maggie agrees to give up Jacqueline’s location.
Leslie, a pro volleyball player, is found stabbed. Her teammate Monica has a solid alibi, and the killer turns out to be a hipster guy with a throwing knife. Delving into what she saw in the stitch brings the squad to the dark web, but before they can do much else a second victim comes in. This one is shot, but as the talent manager for a magician who uses throwing knives, the connection is finally made. They’re all engaged in a cross-stitch murder ring site called All In, where strangers kill for each other. After Linus accidentally enrolls Camille as a hit woman, Kate, the owner of the site surrenders to Fisher in the street. It is later revealed that she and Maggie share a dark past, leading to a dangerous confrontation within the stitch lab.
We’re never a fan of anyone who tries to hurt our dysfunctional stitching family, so we’re glad they came out on top. Now that the case is done, let’s get down to what’s really important with our roundtable this week:
Heather (@xoheatherkw) – Quality control scientist, dog mom, and fangirl extraordinaire.
Larissa (@ladame_) – Accountant with a serious love for beauty, fashion, Marvel movies, and T.V. shows….especially Stitchers!
Manuel (@Make_The_Bounce) – Web designer & consumer of entirely TOO much caffeine. Unabashed Sci-Fi nerd!
Lauralea (@DExHooker) – Writer, dog momma, Stitchers obsessive, Camsten addict.
1. We know Salli Richardson-Whitfield directed this episode. Do you think it added to her performance as Maggie?
Heather (@xoheatherkw): I think so! In general it’s been nice seeing more of Maggie the last few episodes, after coming back from some NSA meetings. I think Salli directing the episode just showcased how wonderful of an actor and director she is. I really loved this episode- and I know I say that every week, but I mean it every time! 150% would love for her to direct another episode. In season 4 perhaps??
Larissa (@ladame_): I do! It was so well acted, and the fact that the case in the end was about her I think gave Salli more guidance in how she directed the episode and in how she acted out Maggie. It was much needed to have an episode focused on her like that, but can we please find out what happened to her son???
Manuel (@Make_The_Bounce): Absolutely, the results were obvious! I feel like by acting in and directing it she really elevated the whole episode! The level of acting in this show is always great, but this episode was special! I am sure Salli Richardson-Whitfield was keen to demonstrate the level of acting she was looking for and it really shows! There was a special intensity to each scene Maggie was in.
Lauralea (@DExHooker): I think perhaps it added a new layer of seriousness to Maggie. Perhaps looking in from the outside just gave her a fresh insight to the character she hadn’t had before. Learning her history and allowing it to play out through the conflict with blondie probably helped in adding that new layer, but I don’t think she could watch with a director’s eye and not slightly adjust her own portrayal. It would be only natural.
2. We know that the cast and creator teased Figgie at SDCC 2017, but we got our first look at this possible ship. Your reaction?
Heather: Ok, so I’ve been lowkey shipping them probably since season 1. Their sassy banter is just shippable, I can’t help it! I’m definitely on board. It doesn’t seem like Fisher’s relationship with Stephanie is going to work out with where they are in their careers and the fact that Fisher really found his family with the stitch squad. I think Maggie and Fisher are on the same page in terms of their own careers, how to handle the Stitchers program (although Fisher wants to bring the “kids” in on the Ivy/Stinger situation), and they have similar experiences with working in law enforcement and having to make tough decisions while keeping the best interest of the team in mind. I ship it!
Larissa: It’s a go from me! I always thought (for the first five minutes) of the series that it was going to be Kirsten and Fisher (I always thought I was crazy until it was revealed to have been the original idea!) but my second thought was him and Maggie. I like their chemistry very much, and while I wouldn’t have minded Fisher and Camille, this seems more fitting from a character standpoint.
Manuel: One of the very first photo edits I ever made for Stitchers was with Fisher & Maggie. I have loved the pairing of them as mama and papa bear ever since Fisher joined the Stitch Squad. I have mixed feelings about potentially seeing them together however. While it feels natural that they might be attracted to and, in this situation find solace with one another, staring at them on the screen together I found myself paranoid and thinking only one thought “But what if they break up? One of them would leave and the team wouldn’t be the same!” So while I want Fisher and Maggie to be happy and will totally root for them, I really hope they proceed with the utmost caution..because my heart…I don’t know if it can take a Figgie rollercoaster ride!!
Lauralea: Aw Figgie. They’re cute, for sure. I’m not sure if I totally ship them at the moment, but I definitely could if given the chance.
3. Speaking of Fisher, who knew he had such mad skills and reflexes? If you could give anyone in the squad a secret skill/talent, who and what would it be?
Heather: I mean, I guessed that Fisher had mad skills. But that was just a whole other level of mad skills and reflexes! I feel like most of the main stitch squad has some mad skills already. I can imagine Tim as a survivalist. He would be skilled in camping/shelter survival, hunting, fishing, decent emergency medical skills, probably a bow or crossbow as weapon of choice, and can MacGyver pretty much anything for what he needs. He might also have a fully stocked bunker outside of LA county somewhere. He’s definitely prepared for the apocalypse.
Larissa: By far, my favorite scene possibly ever in this entire series. It was so unexpected! I think it just makes him so much cooler. I love seeing bits of character growth from Fisher and Maggie in these kind of scenes today. Hmm, as for a squad member’s secret skill/talent….I’m honestly not sure. Maybe give the rest of the lab the ability to guide stitches too? It’d be kind of neat to see each person go in and lead different stitches that somehow relate to them and their character.
Manuel: Linus is totally a B-Boy. What we don’t see offscreen is that he tours night clubs breakdancing and battle rapping against all who dare to challenge him! L-Dub, as he is known in the hood, really is something to behold. You gotta see it!
Lauralea: I’d say after the last Camsten scene tonight, I’d have to say Kirsten’s secret talent is wild flexibility! Go, girl! But in all seriousness, I think that Linus needs to have a super secret skill – super skilled in high speed car manipulation – just out of nowhere hops behind the wheel of something big and powerful and takes down their perp of the week after a huge car chase, showing off his mad skills.
4. As for Maggie, we learned several things about her this week. What was the one thing that really changed how you see her?
Heather: Well I can’t be surprised that Maggie was a CIA assassin. Cameron told us as much way back in 1×02. I think the way she spoke about protecting the team at all costs, not even to get Stinger, and it being the one good thing she’s done in her life surprised me in that it almost seems to atone for what she had to do to serve her country. It just gave her another aspect of why she’s so protective of the team, rather than just viewing her as the hardass boss.
Larissa: Her CIA background and why she is so protective now! That’s a traumatic experience for anyone….for Maggie to continue and to have these young adults in their 20s on her team with their whole life ahead of them and are putting it on the line every day. It really puts things into perspective with how her character is. I still think she’s hiding a lot though. I would love for her to be hiding more.
Manuel: What touched me the most about Maggie this week was just how much emotional baggage and guilt she really is carrying from her past. We know how guarded she is about her past, and now we know a little bit about why. Peeking into Maggie’s past, even briefly was very revealing. While I think her toughness is something we all love about her, it really is derived from a dark, tough history isn’t it? The line where she told Fisher that “keeping the team safe is one of the few good things she has done” was so moving to me because it demonstrates how much guilt she carries and how much she is trying to move away from her past.
Lauralea: I always knew that Maggie was a bad ass, but learning that she was a CIA killer was pretty heavy. Something about Maggie always said she was much more than a simple paper pusher, but knowing now the extent she went through to protect her country does give a higher level of respect to her. I’d most certainly be a little more wary about crossing her any time in the near future!
5. While All In is shut down, is there still a possibility that Linus or Camille is in danger? After all, she got her kill assignment almost immediately…
Heather: I hope they’re not in any danger!! Supposedly the NSA shut down the site, but Camille still got the call. Let’s hope no one got the call to kill Linus. Maybe they should get a safety detail on them, just in case… Until they’re absolutely sure that the app is shut down and any outstanding hits have been dealt with.
Larissa: Hmm…..no I didn’t think so, but now that you mention it….what if Maggie’s old CIA co-worker hacked into the system and found out the NSA was onto them? She could’ve not been the mastermind behind it all. At the same time…I don’t think so because at this point I think everything is gonna be focused on that final episode and the characters we’ve been following all along. It would be SO COOL if each stitch was telling a piece of a story we have no idea about, and that’s why they’re picked for the team to solve.
Manuel: I thought the same thing! We may not have seen the last of this storyline. It stands to reason that if Camille got her kill order right away then someone else should be walking around with a picture of Linus right? They may not be aware of the fact that All In has been shut down. So there is potential danger there for Linus and/or Camille going forward.
Lauralea: The wrap up did feel too easy. While I don’t know that Camille is still in danger, Linus could very well still be. If she got her assignment immediately, someone else received Linus’s name just as quickly. It wouldn’t surprise me to find a murderer for hire waiting around a corner for him. I can only hope that he’s considering the same thing at this point and will take some precautions with his own safety.
6. We know what Ivy told Stinger at her apartment. Do you think she’s really switching sides again? Could she be putting Maggie’s plan into action to prove her loyalty?
Heather: Oh Ivy. I really don’t know what to think with her. I really want to like her. I’m hoping that she’s secretly a double agent and actually working with Maggie still, and luring her father into whatever trap Maggie has planned. I know Ivy’s relationship with the stitch squad fell apart at the beginning of the episode, but I think when she talked about it all making sense really soon is her hinting at Maggie’s plan. I guess one way or another, we’ll find out next week!
Larissa: Ugh I don’t know anymore!!! Can we please cut Ivy some slack?? She is a girl who’s never had a family like Kirsten and that’s all she wanted! I’m really hoping it’s to put Maggie’s plan into action, though. I’m not undermining the anomaly and not saying that was justified, but still, I feel for Ivy so much right now. I am very much looking forward to how the finale plays out. I can’t believe it’s already next week!!!
Manuel: Ivy is such a wildcard in this whole thing! I really believe that she is conflicted in that she just wants to have what she never had…a family. So does she opt for Stinger who is always there with arms wide open, albeit with his own agenda, which she seems to be totally aware of…but hey at least he acts like he cares – or does she try to prove to Kirsten and her newly estranged Stitchers family that she really isn’t a bad person, she just made a bad decision based on in-the-moment emotion? I really want to believe it is the latter because I really like Ivy as a character! She is more than capable of acting on her own and what better way to help the squad than to bring down Stinger from the inside! She is in a dangerous situation though, which makes me fearful for her in the finale!
Lauralea: No. No no no no. I believe in Ivy. I believe that Ivy knows that Stinger is the wrong side to take and that she is working through Maggie and Fisher’s plan. It’s just not in me to believe that she could betray Kirsten so thoroughly twice in such a short period of time, not when there’s a chance she could win them all back while working for them.
7. Between Camanda, Camsten, and Figgie, we were treated to quite the buffet of ships. With the season finale one week away, where would we like to see each end up?
Heather: Ok I have to start off with Camsten. The last two season finales left them off separated from each other in some form or another. Just keep these two together (and happy) for once! Is that too much to ask for? And Cameron, please no killing yourself for your girl. Just no. For Camanda I’m hoping to see them continue to patch things up and be cute together. For Figgie I don’t believe they’ll start anything official by next week’s episode, but I’d like to see him open up about Stephanie to Maggie and maybe hint at them being something more at the start of season 4 (because I refuse to believe we won’t get season 4).
Larissa: I want Camanda to happily end! We need a happy relationship because I already have a feeling something’s gonna go haywire with Camsten. As for Figgie, it’s a shame hints as strong as what was on tonight’s episode didn’t appear earlier on in the season (unless I’m just not remembering any of them.) I’m liking the direction of their relationship, and I know I know there will plenty of room for growth next season! #RenewStitchers4
Manuel: Dancing around a bonfire on the beach, Corona with lime in hand with the fading sunset behind them! Of course that won’t happen. Thinking back to the past two season finales it’s more likely that someone is either gonna be taken hostage, put in jail, or worse. After the Camsten hotness this episode, you all know you were smiling from ear to ear during and after the *ahem* oxytocin filter scene, I would really hate to see them torn apart again! After the last two season finales they really deserve to exit the season finale together and conscious!!
Lauralea: Like I said, I’m not totally sold on Figgie, but I’d like to see it play out – friends or more than friends, I’m happy either way. I wish Camanda all the best – while I truly don’t think Amanda is good enough for Camille, not after turning on her so fiercely and breaking Camille’s heart, if she is who Camille wants, then go get her, tiger. As to Camsten.. I have no words. The squeals of sheer happiness were shrill and piercing in my house tonight – all I want is their happiness. Like Cameron said, Kirsten is his life now – I want them to find the place they belong, together.
Final Verdict: In Stitchers 3X09 “Kill It Forward,” we’re the ones dying over our love for Maggie
Those in the lab aren’t the only ones who have had questions about their stoic director, and we got plenty of answers this week. With Maggie’s past as a CIA black ops operative and a mission gone wrong revealed, we really started to understand her mind. Our Mama Bear may be a tough cookie, but she’s not made of stone. With the guilt she has lived with all this time on her mind, we see her begin to mend fences with Kirsten. Of course, Maggie is still Maggie, so we suspect she’s still several moves ahead in this chess game with Stinger. That’s why we’re still Team Ivy for the time being, because what she said to her father just doesn’t ring true to us. Could we be wrong? What do you think? With one episode left in this season, what are you hoping to discover?